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RedCardinal

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Following on from Michele's thread about SEO and the discussion about keyword research.

My feeling is that KW research is hugely important but I also feel that you have to take care not to trust any one source.

The lack of any clear data derived from the Irish market is also restricitve in terms of local search KW research.

Interested in thoughts of others on KW research and what you found to be effective / the problems you have had.
 

Redfly

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Like yourself, we use a veriety of KW research tools. Some work better than others. As you also mentioned, it is VERY difficult to localise to Ireland the results from the tools.

So far, all we have been able to do is simply add the words "Ireland" and "Dublin" etc to the terms in the tools. The years we have been doing this, there seems to be no other way. We are pretty much at mercy to the KW research tools.

UNtil the tools release more localised or country specific results (I am aware the google KW tool does this but find it the most innefective) we'll just have to use what we have. (And has been going OKAY so far).

What tools do you use for KW research? Wordtracker? Overture? Google Adwords KW tool?
 

EdenWeb

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I was using WordTracker/Overture/Google KW. I've been branching out a little and looking for similar tools.

The only thing about the Google Adwords KW tool at the PPC level is that it encourages a keyword 'buffet' mentality. Thats not a criticism of the tool itself I suppose.
 

uncleseanie

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found this on my travels today. the google suggest tool. may be useful
for identifying popular keywords.
Google

not exactly sure what the numbers refer to monthly, yearly ?

doesn't seem to resolve the localization issue though
 

RedCardinal

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Keyworddiscovery.com seems to be flavour of the month, but as for Irish terms.....

OK semi-shameless plug here, but if you are going to go for Keyword Discovery I would say try out NicheBot which repackages Keyword Discovery data (enterprise API) with a far more superior front-end. It works on a pay-as-you-go set-up (I think you pay $9.95 per month and then top-ups when your credits are gone - I got a free life subscription for being a beta tester).

It works out a hell of a lot cheaper than coughing up $69.95 p.m. for KD.

And the plug? Here's my affiliate link for the $1 sign-up offer: The New NicheBOT v2 - Finds Exactly What People Search For!

You can safely ignore the long-page shite (I tore into them when I saw it - yanks??) as I can tell you firsthand that the UI and functionality are very good.

/plug
 

glengara

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*I got a free life subscription for being a beta tester.* Good for you RC, and kudos for waiting to plug it ;-) I came across it on HR, JW seems to rate it highly.....
 

DennisAlb

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hi,

I was using WordTracker/Overture/Google KW. I've been branching out a little and looking for similar tools.

The only thing about the Google Adwords KW tool at the PPC level is that it encourages a keyword 'buffet' mentality. Thats not a criticism of the tool itself I suppose.

sentersoftech.com
 

DennisAlb

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OK semi-shameless plug here, but if you are going to go for Keyword Discovery I would say try out NicheBot which repackages Keyword Discovery data (enterprise API) with a far more superior front-end. It works on a pay-as-you-go set-up (I think you pay $9.95 per month and then top-ups when your credits are gone - I got a free life subscription for being a beta tester).

blog.sentersoftech.com
 

kflanagan28

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I have used Keyword Discovery, Keyword Analyzer, Google Keywords Tool, Google new Keyword suggest tool.

I just got my hands on Keyword Elite as I am a fan of Brad Callens stuff. Again this will suffer from not having local searches.

I read from Aaron Wall that Google Keyword Tool is the best you can get for searches outside of the U.S. Anyone else feel this.

Talking on that Aaron Wall has released a new keyword research book in association with Wordpress. I am going to get it this wkend. Add it to the huge list of stuff I need to get through.

I also heard good things about Nichebot as per above mails
 

John peterr

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Hi,
When it come to keyword research, it is really important for a website to perform.
It will drive the targeted traffic to your site.
 

link8r

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Anyone find the Google search volume stats for Ireland are just astronomically off the chart? Its clear that a search for "bbq sales ireland" and "bbq equipment" = then Google is taking each occurence of "bbq" and totalling the search volume, so you get ridiculous search counts of "250,000" searches for bbq (you don't, I'm too lazy to check)
 

kflanagan28

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I haven't noticed that myself linkr. Must take a look next time I am doing research for Ireland specific.

I am pretty interested in those great replies by John petter. I think he is slowly changing the way SEO is done ... I mean

"yes i do agree with you and there are lot of keyword tools available that works effectively"

Brilliant

Lets not forget

"When it come to keyword research, it is really important for a website to perform.
It will drive the targeted traffic to your site."

Oh my god. You have changed the way I think about SEO.

Who bets John woke up yesterday with a copy of SEO 101 and was on the chapter "How to get links from a Forum", which read

"Go onto lots of forums that pass PR. Make lots of posts (these don't actually have to mean anything) until you get a sig in your footer, hey presto, you are an SEO legend"

Go JOHN, nearly there ...
 

MPC

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Hi,
When it come to keyword research, it is really important for a website to perform.
It will drive the targeted traffic to your site.

whats the story with these stupid posts?, seems to be a few of them on every thread

Edit: sorry, just read kflanagan has already pointed this out
 

link8r

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I haven't noticed that myself linkr. Must take a look next time I am doing research for Ireland specific.

V.funny reply to John's "posts" - I started reading it without realising you were pulling the piss until I read his quote...v. good.

One thing about the Google Search database - take software outsourcing.

software outsourcing1 - 3€4.04
1,600 - 3,600
software development outsourcing1 - 3€4.58
480 - 1,600
DecAddsoftware outsourcing in1 - 3€0.05
Not enough data1,300No dataNo dataAddoffshore software outsourcing1 - 3€3.41
110 - 1,000
(From Adwords, Ireland)


3,600+ searches for software outsourcing?


RedCardinal predicts the #1 gets ~50% of the traffic (I hope I didn't get that wrong!) - I've been number one for this search phrase for about 3-4 years, most you'll get is 30 visits in a month - For this exact search phrase

Sorry Google, this is way off the mark. You'd be lucky to get 1,000 searches that use the words in a phrase. You'd also get less if you did Adwords I know, I've been doing them for a friend of mine in Dublin.

Ok, it's probably not the most important keyword but, it shows just how off Google is
 

jane0109

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You're right keyword research is the most important in SEO. Me, I'm always comparing the results in wordze, keyword discovery and wordtracker.
 

link8r

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It's definitely the starting point. My order of things to do:

1. Research keywords on Google, WordTracker, Yahoo, other tools: compete, software apps, back links

2. Then buy domain name!!!!!

3. Then write content
 

AlexAcosta

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well if I have a larger budget, I run a few PPC campaign to test the search volume. That way I won't spend months chasing useless keywords just because some keyword tool told me was a highly searched keyword. ;)
 
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