SEO is Bull****
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eoghanmccabe
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Bingo. And that's the only reason the SEO "industry" exists. Because there are so many negligent, irresponsible and—as Ken put it—crap designers and developers out there.
There was me thinking it was because of the methods used by Search Engines to index and list websites, not the fact there are so many bad developers/designers.
gav240z
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Can you imagine though?
But can you imagine if search engines indexed anything and everything? We would be stuck with Flash websites and Tabled Design. I can only imagine the pain.
Not to mention ugly url's and session ID's, no thanks. Oh and have you seen the junk Microsoft used to allow in websites with Frontpage?
It would have been code and tag soup of the propietry kind. I for one am glad that search engine such as Google took a stand and said, "you know what?" if you want to get listed in here you need to follow some kind of web standards.
Yay! for standards
But can you imagine if search engines indexed anything and everything? We would be stuck with Flash websites and Tabled Design. I can only imagine the pain.
Not to mention ugly url's and session ID's, no thanks. Oh and have you seen the junk Microsoft used to allow in websites with Frontpage?
It would have been code and tag soup of the propietry kind. I for one am glad that search engine such as Google took a stand and said, "you know what?" if you want to get listed in here you need to follow some kind of web standards.
Yay! for standards
That's a load of bull.
RedCardinal
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Seconded.
Eoghan I personally think you are so wide of the mark that I decided not to even engage you on your post. If you really believe you're own words it's no wonder you're not selling 'SEO'.
Pray tell how your theory stacks up in ultra-competitive niches where all the top sites have excellent design and content? There are only 10 positions on page 1 - how does Google decide which to elevate to #1? The nicest design? The cleanist code? I'm all ears to hear your designer best practice solution to that little issue.
It would exist anyway, as Richard points out.
Online insurance
Mortgage brokers
Travel portal
Hotel booking sites
There are LOTS of them. It doesn't matter a damn how well designed they are when it comes to SEO, as only 1 can be at the top for the search phrase that people use. And that is the key - people search for things using really insane keyphrases. How is design going to deal with that? or with people's inability to spell.
I could go on.
georgiecasey
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exactly. designers think seo is just well structured, good titles and that's it. seo is a results based business, you're in the first page or not.
Redfly
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I couldn't agree more and that's why I didn't bother participate either.
A question for the SEO's if I may: Should the companies who can afford to throw a lot of money at SEO dominate Google while others, although they may have more relevant content, fail to rank well? Doesn't anyone see this as a looming risk that threatens to completely destroy search altogether? Guess what happens when Google's organic listings are effectively paid for and aren't necessarily delivering the most relevant results for their users? That's right...
Forbairt
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Not an SEO person as such ... but isn't that what Search Wikia - search - a Wikia wiki is all about ... ? getting search back into .. human hands ... ?
Is coke the best caffeinated drink or does it simply throw so much money at advertising (santa claus being red for example) that it takes over ?
RedCardinal
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Ken I can think of no other online medium that empowers people with websites at all levels to compete regardless of financial resources. Of all web channels to level your argument against I think organic search is perhaps the least relevant.
I don't pretend to understand what you're saying, Richard. Suffice to say that there is a growing dependency to throw money at the ranking problem/SEO which will lead to the increased commercialisation of organic search in many sectors. So financial resources are a factor in being able to compete, no?
Forbairt
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(How I understand it)
I don't think so ... I think links / quality of content / meta play a major factor ... though getting all this together does require a considerable amount of money whether its your own time or someone elses.
If you're talking about PPC then yes throw 5EUR at each hit and you'll get nearly every hit for the topics of choice (how I understand it again)
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